Recently, a worker shared a conversation with their manager on the AntiWork subreddit revealing how they were fired for taking time off
Their post inspired some Redditors to chime in with similar experiences
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We managed to get in touch with user spr_t who was kind enough to have a little chat with us. They revealed they got the idea to share this conversation after posting it on OSHA: "Someone messaged me and recommended I post it [on Anti Work]." They did not expect this thread to get as much engagement as it did but appreciate the support. As of today, the screenshot has collected over 60.2K upvotes and more than 4K comments where people shared their own stories and opinions about this situation.
"I believe that the post gained so much attention and support because a lot of people have faced similar experiences. America’s labor laws have come a long way but still, there are many loopholes varying from state to state. In my state (Texas), it is legal to fire someone after providing a work note," they said.
When asked how they are feeling about this whole incident, spr_t told Bored Panda they realized there isn’t much they can do. "Some of the anger and hatred I had towards the subject has subsided and now I’m just looking for a new job which isn’t as easy as it seems," the user revealed. "In life, people have to realize that no matter how much work and time you put into something (especially jobs), it’s never certain or secured," they added.
According to the "No-Vacation Nation" report from the Center for Economic and Policy Research, the European Union requires to give workers employed in the EU at least 20 working days of paid vacation. However, many member countries go above that number, for example, France requires at least 30 paid vacation days off, and that’s not including paid holidays. The UK mandates 28, then Austria, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Sweden, and Spain all require 25, and Portugal has to provide at least 22 working days of paid vacation per year.
"The United States continues to be the only advanced economy that does not guarantee its workers paid vacation," the researchers wrote. "Without a federal paid vacation policy, close to one in four Americans have no paid vacation (23 percent) and no paid holidays (22 percent)," they added that these figures seem to be on the same level since 2013.
Selena Rezvani, a leadership expert, speaker, and author of Pushback: How Smart Women Ask — and Stand Up — for What They Want, told Bored Panda that even though paid time off is a benefit given to many workers, workplaces often have the right to decide how that time is taken off, "for example how PTO should be requested and with how much notice."
"That means firing is actually a possibility with at-will employment, provided it’s not for an EEOC-related [Equal Employment Opportunity Commission] reason. Obviously, it sets a negative precedent to police or over-restrict people’s PTO. Remember, this is a benefit that employees have an expectation that they can control — for example when they use PTO, for how long and based on their own justifications. Taking that away erodes trust and wellbeing and cultivates exactly what you don’t want — fear," Rezvani added.
The leadership expert noted that when managers intimidate or threaten to fire their employees for taking time off, it can make workers feel hesitant to use their paid days at all. "The power play in using PTO is fraught with all kinds of worries: will I appear lazy or uncommitted? Will my manager think I’m not sharing the load? Will they see me as lacking in work ethic?"
She explained that our reluctance in taking time off is evidence of this. "More than half of Americans don’t take all their PTO in a year — compared to France where 90 percent of people take all their PTO. This could also show up in a reluctance to fully disconnect during time off. When Americans do take vacations, 41 percent are checking into work while away and a whopping 84 percent of executives have canceled vacations in order to work. Managers need to normalize encouraging people to fully unplug when taking PTO!"
When asked what would be an appropriate reaction from the management when employees ask for PTO, Rezvani said they should "go out of your way to accommodate it and try not to probe for an explanation of what they’re doing in their time off. If they want to tell you, they will — but they shouldn’t be obligated."
